agency we come on the air, just about 30 hours from the government shutting down, an epic scramble in the building behind me here. negotiations intensifying between the white house and congress, between democrats and republicans, between progressives and moderates. here is where things stand this moment.

3:00 eastern noon pacific, the government runs out of money tomorrow to pay tore key programs. then there's the next deadline after that on the u.s. debt ceiling where the u.s. could default on paying its credit card bills, money they've already spent. also in the mix, the two massive spending bills on roads and infrastructure and trillions for roads, bridges, child care, climate change, just to name a few. start with the most urgent deadline, chuck schumer says the government could vote today, although likely that vote gets pushed. if that does not happen tomorrow, you're looking at delays in social security, va benefits, closure programs. on the debt ceiling, house speaker nancy pelosi just announced the house will vote to suspend the debt limit. fine, but in the house, chuck schumer wants a simple vote.

if this does not get done in the next couple of weeks, the treasury secretary says the loss could be catastrophic. as for those spending bills, the house is planning, key word planning to vote on that frut bill, but progressives are threatening to vote against it until they get their vote on that bigger, broader social programs bill first. in the past hour, top white house officials wrapped up a meeting with kyrsten sinema. and our team, the only woman with alexandria ocasio-cortez where she says this. >> some folks in our party have reneged on that agreement. and that's where i think that we have an issue here of trust. let's stick to the original plan. i will support manchin's priorities. he can support my priorities and we can all win. >> i'm hallie jackson in washington and what has been an intense week of negotiations, of arm twisting, of soul searching,

sala is watching all of it from capitol hill. shannon is at the white house and we're joined by sah hill. let me go to you. 3:02 now eastern time, 12:02 pacific. the progressives seem to be on the same page when it comes to insisting on a vote on this infrastructure, this human infrastructure, the social spending bill, the big bill first before that more narrow infrastructure bill. where does this go? >> it seems that way. speaker pelosi is hoping to vote on that bill tomorrow, but she did leave some wiggle room to postpone it. she said the speaker has the authority to delay and she said one step at a time earlier today when she was asked if she's guaranteeing a vote. that bill simply doesn't have the votes to pass in the house of representatives because group of lawmakers are going to holt that billion until that social

safety net package gets an agreement between the house and president biden. i spoke moments ago to congressman bowman of new york. let's play what he had to say. >> infrastructure vote, do you believe it will happen tomorrow? if it happens, what will the end game be? >> i don't know. we'll see if it happens before the build better act, i think it will be votesed down. i know it will be volted down. but we'll see what happens. still a lot of hours in the day to negotiate where we are. >> now, there is real consternation among centrist democrats who want necessary two bills to be separated. they didn't want tight be a package deal in the first place and one of them, stephanie murphy said it would be a significant breach of trust if that vote were to get delayed or voted down. garrett haake spoke to senator joe manchin who is in some ways at the center of this. >> the most important piece of legislation we've had in a year which is the bipartisan structure.

it does so much in so many ways. clean energy, everything else. why wouldn't we take that and -- >> progressives don't trust you, sir. they don't trust you that you're going to be with them on the reconciliation bill. >> i negotiated in good faith. i trust them to negotiate in good faith. >> and you can hear the frustration in senator manchin's bill, that infrastructure bill that he helped write, it's stalled right now and that is the key to all of this, hallie. the reconciliation bill needs to be dealt with so they can move forward. the chairman told me that the next step is for manchin and sinema need to come up with infrastructure before the infrastructure bill can move forward at all. >> at this point, somebody has to blink, right? and shannon, where you are from your vantage point at the white house, there is pressure on president biden to try and get more things moving. he canslitied that trip he was supposed to take today to talk

about vaccine recommendations. and what you heard in the press briefing, while we've been on the air, by the way, is jen psacki getting asked about that. >> the president has spoken over the last several days with a range of different voices. but he knows the most constructive role he can play in this moment is working to unify democrats on a path forward. and a big part of that, of course, a huge part of that is working toward an agreement to get 50 votes in the senate. >> so, shannon, is the feeling from the white house end of on things that, hey, we're doing what we can, president biden is doing what he can, but at some point, those down pennsylvania avenue have to put up or shut up? >> you know, i would say that was a bit of the thinking earlier in the month and maybe august that this was an issue that needed to be resolved among senators themselves. the white house has taken so much more of an active role this week and a little bit last week

in trying to get involved in bringing these players together and take much more of a leadership role. psaki didn't rule out the president going to the hill tomorrow. he obviously had meetings yesterday. some of his top staffers were up there today. she said the focus at the moment is on trying to negotiate in the senate senate on that reconciliation bill and find out where those members of the senate are. there has seemed to have been a lot of foep focus, at least publicly on the public end from the white house on manchin and sinema, nots much on the house progressives. obviously as you can hear from what we heard from alexandria ocasio-cortez a moment ago, representative paul a moment ago, that has created a lt of frustration on their part, too. so that is a gap that the white house needs to fill. psaki said there are still a lot of hours in the day, that these negotiations continue. there's a congress yol baseball game tonight. maybe biden can make an appearance there, but they are plowing forward. >> sure. there aren't that many hours

left in the day. there are hours in the day, that is true, but at some point, that clock really is ticking, shannon. what's interesting, really quickly, susan rice getting involved now in some of these negotiations behind closed doors. what does that tell you? >> you know, they're bringing in more players in this. obviously, she is someone who not only knows washington well, but knows how a white house works and operates really well. of course, from her time in the obama administration maybe, but more so on the foreign policy end. but she is highly respected in this administration. i have heard her name come up a number of times recently as getting involved in a number of issues as ahead of that domestic policy council. so it certainly speaks to the increased attention, all figures in the white house are putting on this and the real central focus that this is right now at the white house. >> so, anna, your turn, girl, because you know you and your colleagues at punch bowl are on

overdrive. the only question i'm asking su how does this get unraveled? how does this get solved? >> you need a ouiji speak to find out what's going to happen next. i really do see unforeseen major break through here that the speaker does probably end up pulling this bill. it doesn't appear that they're going to have legislative text which is why they're moving the goal posts here. this is going to be a big issue for them. it's hard to, i think, overstate how important this is going to be to find sinema and manchin and sit down and have them put out something. all eyes are on them and so far they've been unwilling to do a top line number or even talk about a lot of the substance of the bill. >> and that's kind of annoying, i think it's fair to say, from what we've heard from some of their democrat bills. they're not being super

transparent about what they want. >> absolutely. i mean, i think we heard manchin's frustration by the fact that progressives are holding his infrastructure bill hostage. they feel on the latter end that he's holding reconciliation hostage and he's not negotiating in good faith right now. i think it underscores, also, just how tense things are, the distrust between the moderates and the progressives in a way that i don't think we have seen before in this congress, but certainly in past congresses, as well. >> it's an interesting point. anna palmer, all things congress expert. thank you so much. shannon, sahil, as always, stay close to your cameras because the seconds we get updates on how things are moving, we'll be coming back to you. we have a newsy guest waiting for us now from capitol hill. the assistant speaker of the house, congresswoman clark. thank you for being back on the show. good afternoon to you. >> good to be with you, hallie. >> so will there be a vote tomorrow? >> you know, we are working every minute of every day to get

to yes. because we know what is on the line for the american people. this is about helping meet this moment of economic, racial and climate justice. so i am confident that we are going to get there. and that is the key piece of this. because this is what we have to deliver for the american people who sent us to washington, put joe biden in the white house to deliver this package. because they know it's not enough to go back to the status quo. we have to build back better and more inclusive. >> you say you are confident that democrats will get there. will you get there, congresswoman, tomorrow? could it be possible that you take that vote friday? possibly later than that? >> we want to take that vote as soon as we are ready. >> okay. >> and what i can tell you gives me optimism and confidence that we are going to get this done is the fact that what i am seeing

from our caucus is absolute unity around this agenda. this is the president's agenda that he didn't just pluck out of the air, he build it on the conversations he had with americans. people in rural america who cannot find child care so they can go to work, people who are struggling to find home care for their parents, people who are looking at climate change and forest fires and hurricanes and the floods we've witnessed in the past few months who know we have to address this issue about urgency. people who are at the prescription counter saying i can't afford the medication i need for myself and my family. that is the uniting force is meeting this moment to help the american people not only emerge out of this pandemic, but emerge out stronger. so that every american, wherever they are, can see a path of

opportunity for themselves and their families. >> these bills, both of them obviously do a lot as it relates to president biden's agenda. what he ran on, what he was elected on. it has has to get through congress before it can be enacted and the american people can feel any impact of that. so let me ask it this way. this vote seems to hinge on legislative language for the bigger, broader spending bill. is that legislative language done and will it be done by tonight if you're going to vote tomorrow? >> you know, we are working every single minute to get that together. to come -- >> so it's not together yet, but you're working to get it together? i just want to understand where things are to get done. >> it's not together yet. and, you know, the white house is fully engaged. the president canceled his trip to chicago today to stay here to do this. so we have a lot of deadlines coming up this week. first and foremost, we are going to keep the government open. that is our, you know, basic

responsibility and there is no way that democrats are going to let the republicans shut down our government because we know how critical it is for people, especially during this time of economic crisis. second, we have a debt ceiling that we have to get done in the next few weeks. the house is going to bring back a clean bill and send it back to the senate. and we cannot stand by with this dereliction of responsibility from the gop. we will get this done with democratic votes if they move out of our way. so we are going to keep pushing because we know how critical this is. we have quotes from kevin mccarthy, from mitch mcconnell on the importance of paying your past debt. 97% of this bill is the debt that comes from the trump administration. we know we have to pay that bill due and it has nothing to do

with moving forward and meeting the needs of american people. that bill is going to add zero to our debt. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you, you said that president biden, in your view, has been incredibly engaged. ocasio-cortez koerdz had a different view of the white house engagement. i want to play with you what she said. >> i think that the president using his role, using his influence and using the immense power that he has as the executive to really bring the party together and say we're going to pass both of these bills at once, that eliminates the infighting, it gets rid of, you know, all of this drama and say, you know what -- >> so she wants to see him step up more. she also talked, congresswoman, about what she described as an issue of trust between democrats right now. do you see it that way? is there a trust problem inside your party? >> i think that the issue of trust that we're focused on is the trust we have with the

american people and the trust the american people put in us and president joe biden. he has fulfilled that by setting forth this agenda and now it is up to us to get to yes. democrats are there. let's not forget. we are going to have to do this, meet these needs in critical areas. roads and bridges, broadband, getting the led out of our water, addressing climate change, child care, home care all on our own without any republican help. so we have did trust of the american people to do it. the president and the white house who is fully engaged with us and it's exactly what we're going to deliver for them. >> assistant speaker katherine clark. we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> we're going to keep an eye on all things unfolding at the capitol. but we're talking about this new urnlths health advisory that just went out for people who are

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a couple of big headlines this arch. afternoon. the cdc aimed directly at anybody who might be pregnant or who is hoping to become pregnant. the message? get vaccinated. the cdc says it strongly recommends the vaccines before or during pregnancy because the benefits of getting the shot outweigh the potential risks. we're following that information from youtube and what it calls harmful content and it blocks

popular anti-vaccine accounts. with me now nbc news technology reporter brandie zadrozni. dr. bedelia, let me start with you and this urgent, as it's called, advisory from the cdc. it mentions 31% of pregnant women have gotten the vaccine. among black women, that number drops to below 15%. what's your answer for why there's so many hold outs which we've known for months now that the benefits of getting the vaccine -- and you know i've been reporting on this for the better part of this year -- the vaccine has benefits better for pregnant women, right, versus the risks of getting covid while pregnant which we know can be really dangerous. >> that's right. and one of the reasons is what they're saying is stwo-thirds of pregnant women are not vaccinated. and in august, they saw more deaths among pregnant women with covid than in any other month during this pandemic. what we know is if you're pregnant and you get infected

with covid and you have symptomatic covid, you have about twice the chance of ending up in the icu and 70% greater chance of passing away from this. you know, bad outcomes potentially for the fetus, as well. you know, low preterm labor, low birth weight. one of the reasons i think that, you know, there is that early caution is that pregnant women -- not as many pregnant women are part of the initial trials, but since then, we've gotten more trials that included that and now we have adult data, child data and millions of people who have gotten this vaccine including over 5,000 pregnancies that have been recorded in cdc's be safe system. all of them say covid vaccines are safe in pregnancy. they have an immense benefit for the mother, an immense benefit for the children because you're passing on those antibodies to your baby and they're protected, as well. i cannot stress that enough. and because there's so much

misinformation around this. the american college of ob/gyns, the society of fetal and maternal met all recommend the vaccine. they're not saying consider the risk benefits, but they're outright recommending it. >> you make an important point here, which is the link to misinformation here and why there is a hesitation among some pregnant people to get the vaccine because of communities that sprout up, as you know, online where people talk, right. >> and there may be some women who are hesitant that are like, lay, i'm pregnant, i don't want to put anything in my body that i don't know what it is. but the risk of getting covid is way work than anything from a potential vaccine. >> that's right. and it's even beyond pregnant women. i've seen so many disinformation of a group protective age making this out like it's a genetic vaccine. the covid-19 vaccine does not

have impact to your genetics. when we talk about rna vaccines, we're talking about an rna of the protein, of the virus. so it does not infect the mother, it does not cause any misinformation that you're seeing out there. it's beneficial. >> brandie, this sets up this conversation with you because as we talk about misinformation as it relates to the vaccine, youtube is now cracking down on some of that. give us a sense of the scale. will it make a difference on youtube given how big the platform is. what's your sense? >> oh, man, it's so hard, you know? this new policy constituents to all anti-vaccine messaging. so it already had a policy against covid-19 vaccine misinformation, but this gets all of them. so that is including that old lie that vaccines cause autism or cancer in children. now, anti-vaccine misinformation has always had a huge home on youtube. it's just -- like for over a decades, anti-vax createsers have flourished there. and this morning, anti-vax influencers like joseph percola

and rfk jr. were wiped from the platform. but we haven't seen them hit the lower tier influencers yet, and that's tension behind the movement. so youtube now says they're going to ban content that falsely claims vaccines are dangerous or that they're ineffective. and they're going to face a really huge complicated content moderation challenge here. anti-vaccine content is really hard to moderate because it often comes in stories. so we just heard some science, but i have a video of a child shaking uncontrollably and someone saying they're caused by vaccines. those stories are compelling, even when it's false. it's only going to get worse about a vaccine is approved for children under 12 and that's supposed to happen within the next few weeks. that's probably one of the reasons youtube is making this point now. >> thank you. we have a lot more to get to in

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new developments today, a top officials calling our elected officials for their role in amplifying extremist ideas. that official, john cohen, didn't specify anybody by name, but he did point to elected officials as culprits. watch. >> when they spread those narratives, they validate them. when they validate them, they increase the potential that an individual who is vulnerable to being influenced, vulnerable to being influenced to commit an act of violence will see this as a rationale for committing domestic violence. >> you talk about january 6th and the select committee there reportedly gearing up for battle. a new report today details a list of tactics may puts in

place if the witnesses they call refuse to testify. this committee has already subpoenaed a bunch of folks in donald trump's inner circle including former chief of staff mark meadows, but getting these guys to testify might be easier said than done with the committee reportedly, quote, preparing a narrow set of legal and tactical options in case those witnesses try to avoid testifying. i want to bring in kyle cheney. kyle, great reporting. talk about, then, what these quote/unquote tactics are, right? what are these ways that these potentially reluctant witnesses could be forced by the select committee to testify? >> sure. thanks, hallie. it's good to be here. you know, the issue for the committee really is not just one of getting them to testify, but getting them to testify fast. they have a pretty narrow window of time to get this investigation done, so the first step they're going to take is to hold people in contempt if they need to and that's a matter of going to a court and saying

force this person to testify or make them face either civil sanctions, finals or criminal sanctions potentially. in the past, that's been a nonstarter because you've had, you know, a trump justice department that wasn't eager to try to enforce any sort of criminal contempt and that process can take a very long time. so what we were hearing from some of the committee members was they may go the other direction and offer immunity to some of on these witnesses, a very specific type of immunity to allow them to testify without fear of prosecution. >> can we go back to this point on executive privilege because you write that it is, quote, perhaps the most important weapon that the committee has. we know the white house has signaled they may revoke that protection. how does that open up doors, right, if and when that happens. what does that mean? >> just the sheer existence of the biden administration, it helps them because you don't have an administration that's going on invoke executive privilege at every opportunity, you don't have a president that is going to stand in the way of a former official testifying. so just the fact that the biden administration, the biden

justice department is on the other end of this means that there's going to be a lot fewer options for these witnesses to try to evade testifying to try to, you know, come up with a pretense. >> kyle cheney, it's super fast reporting. by the way, do we think more subpoenas will be coming soon? >> imminently. >> we're watching for those. thank you. >> thank you. a new significant legal blow to former president donald trump. he had an arbitrator ruling in favor of amirosa, remember her, calling the nda unenforceable because of the vague language that did not meet typical legal standards. now you have omarosa reacting saying is in part, finally the bully has met his match. the former president's campaign now has to pay her years worth of legal fees with the case first filed in 2018 after she came out with a book about her

time in the trump white house. one of the first tell-alls, if you will, for somebody who worked in the white house. david, good to be with you. >> you, too. >> any steps donald trump might take to try to pursue this in some other avenue now that arbitration didn't go in his favor? does he have any other recourse? >> he worked do things like try to have the corporate entity that file this case declare bankruptcy so they don't have to pay. but he's been losing these case necessary a variety of venues. this is just the latest time in which this sort of boilerplate trump nondisclosure agreement has been declared invalid for being too vague. so if he does pursue it, i don't think he's on the winning side legally. >> what about implications here, right? any sense whether omasrosa's nda was similar to ones we know other former trump aides have signed? and i ask because i wonder if that means, you know, if you did work at the trump white house or on the trump campaign and you

did sign an nda and you're looking at this decision now going, well, maybe my nda doesn't count, do you see those flood gates opening? >> they certainly could. so the other case, in addition to omarosa, there was a federal case where a woman named jessica denson who was a 2016 trump campaign sued proactively. basically, it allows trumps and his miems to declare anything confidential so that is invalid. they seem to have been very similar from person to person. so, yes, i think if i was someone who signed an nda like that you would be looking at it saying this has been declared in a couple different forums. i don't see much danger from me. >> david, always great to have you and your analysis with us. appreciate it, as always. next up, a brand new update from the state department on getting americans out of afghanistan and what top pentagon officials are telling

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just in from the state department, new number owes evacuations from afghanistan. more than 100 u.s. citizens and legal permanent residents flown out within the past 24 hours. that development coming as top military leaders face congress for the second day on tough questions surrounding the withdrawal. the questions ranging from the drone strike that killed multiple innocent people and what didn't happen in the handoff between administrations. lloyd austin saying he didn't get any plans for the withdrawal. while mark miley had this sobering statement about the mission overall. >> it is obviously to all of us that the war in afghanistan did not end in the terms that we wanted with taliban now in power in kabul. the war was a strategic failure. >> general milley reiterating

comments that he first made 24 hours ago. courtney is at the pentagon and courtney, you were with us as we talked about round one of these top defense officials facing members open congress. this round two today. if yesterday the highlight was that extraordinary contradiction between what president biden said publicly, what's your big take away today? >> we got a little bit more insight and a little bit more color on exactly how that happened. but the big headline for me today was actually a little bit of what we just heard from general milley about this failure of the war in afghanistan. we also got a new assessment from him about the repercussions and the implications of that failure. he talked about how the taliban now being in control of the government in afghanistan, how that would potentially open up a new avenue for other terror networks though reconstitute there. and while we've hear both general milley and some other

officials talk about the reality that a taliban led government there could create the environment for al qaeda and potentially isis to have a safe haven in afghanistan, today general milley put an even quicker timeline on it than we had heard before. here is what he had to say. >> it's a real possibility in the not too on distant future, 6, 12, 18, 24, 36 months, that time frame, for reconstitution of isis and it's our job under different conditions but it's our job to continue to protect the american citizens from attacks from afghanistan. >> and the other concern is not just the fact that al qaeda or isis or these terror networks could potentially be able to rebuild in the ungoverned spaces of afghanistan, but that they may actually be able to build to a place that they could start to threaten the west and u.s. allies again. and this comes as there are now no u.s. troops on the ground there and the potential for any kind of air strikes or ability to take on some of these

networks is only more and more difficult without intelligence networks and u.s. troops on the ground there, hallie. >> courtney, live for us there from her post at the pentagon, thank you. coming up, will a judge give britney spears control of her live back and control of her money? you could see an answer maybe in less than an hour or two. we're live at the l.a. courthouse for that huge hearing this afternoon. that's next. for that huge hearg this afternoon that's next.

it is a potentially big afternoon for britney spears in court and for all her free britney followers. that's because in just under an hour, we're getting close to the time when she's set to be part of a hearing that deals with the conservatorship around her. her father, jamie, doing a total 180 saying not only should he be replaced, but the whole thing should be disbanded. you've seen support for this. the disbanding of the conservatorship for months now, drumming up with new documentaries, new news reports, new comments from brittany britney herself condemning this as unnecessary and invasive. i want to bring in elementary you who is outside the

courthouse where this is set to take place. scott rahm is joining us, too. emily, i have to think the noise i'm hear in the background is probably people surrounding the courthouse where you are. talk through what it's like and what might come out of today's hearing, ultimately. >> well, the energy is high because this could absolutely be a piftd yol day in the conservatorship case. the judge could weigh in on two major questions, one being should jamie spears continue to be the conservator of britney spears finances. and an emotional testimony describing the conservatorship as abusive and trauma advertising. the other thing the judge should weigh in on is should the conservatorship exist tall? jamie spears does not want to be replaced by the accountant that britney's legal team has put forward. stable has agreed to step in if

need be, hallie. >> britney is set to appear virtually. am i right about that? >> you know, we can't say for certain. it's unclear. i can say that jamie spears is expected to attend virtually, though. >> that's interesting. scott, let me go to you. i know you have been following this story. you have been keeping tabs on the process. what is your sense of how hillary clintonly it is that the conservatorship disbands today? >> it seems certainly possible. the parties all seem to be in agreement that the conservatorship should be terminated. it is a question of whether it is going to happen today at the hearings or whether it is going to happen in the months to come. there is another hearing set for five weeks from now, november 4th. and it appears that if the conservatorship isn't terminated today, it very likely will be terminated then. >> what about the idea -- listen, getting this conservatorship disbanded is obviously the top priority for brittney and her team.

but there are reports that perhaps actions by jamie spears and others involved could have broke ten law. is it possible that brittney's team goes on offense? how likely is it they might decide to do that? what resource would they have? >> they have already gone on the offensive. in all of their pleadings they have highlighted the concerns they have about his actions as conservator. and it seems very likely, at least from all the reports in a we have received that they intend to pursue those claims regardless of whether jamie is removed as conservator or the conservatorship is terminated. >> can you talk about the next steps for britney spears after today, scott? >> certainly. if she has the conservatorship terminated, she gets her rights back to manage her own affairs, whether it is health care, finances, et cetera. then she begins to build the team of people who will help her manage those affairs, whether it

is her career, finances, et cetera. but she will be in charge of her own life again for the first time in 13 years. >> we have talked about the documentaries that have come out, captivating a lot of people in this country, this free brittney movement that's been out there on social media and elsewhere. have you had a chance to catch up with some of the people who have come to the courthouse today? what are you hearing from some of brittney's most ardent fans? >> certainly, this is a highly anticipated court hearing. and you can tell by the sheer volume of people and their organize out here. you can hear chanting. there is music, people already in the streets outside of the courthouse in front of me. they say this afternoon is a day of reckoning. at least they are hoping it to be. here's more from some of brittney's fans. >> i think we were supposed to run a sound bite there. i don't think we have it. can you paraphrase for us, emily? >> week okay.

we will have to circle back. they are really excited. they have been following this court case so closely. they are out here. people from across the country are committed to the free brittney movement. today you can't underscore enough how much this afternoon means to them. >> thanks to both of you. emily we will look for more coverage from you throughout the day on msnbc reports and on "nbc nightly news." breaking news. you remember back on january 6th one of the people in the capitol building was wearing olympic swag. he was a former olympic swimmer. he is expected to plead guilty. keller is set to enter a guilty plea related to his role in the insurrection. you are seeing photos from the department of justice here. pete williams is all over this case. what's the deal? he walked into courthouse? is he done? what's the status? >> we don't literally know what

the deal is. proembly, there is a deal here where he is agreeing to plead guilty to some charges in return for the government dropping others. but the hearing appears not to have started yet. he was originally charged with two felonies and four misdemeanors. my guess is that what's happening here is he will plead guilty to the misdemeanors and the government will drop the felons. we will see if that's what the negotiation of the plea turns out to be. that photo you showed of him standing in the rotunda is one of the reasons why he was identified so quickly. the fbi says at 6'6" he was one of the tallest people in the rotunda at the time of the capitol riot. and many people recognized him. she was a five-time olympian medallist. he also wore his olympic patch on his jacket. that helped the fbi recognize him. you see how much taller he is than other people there.

a member of the same relay team as michael phelps. his arrest got huge headlines when he was arrested back in january at his home in colorado. since then, he has expressed remorse. he's had a tough time since he left the sport of swimming. his marriage fell apart. he lost his job. and he told swimming u.s.a., the website, that he actually lived out of his car for almost a year. but he's been getting his life back together. however, friends say that he did -- he was a supporter of trump. he did come to washington, they say, last november for the million maga march. and that he then came back to the capitol on january th. so we will have to find out exactly what the terms of this negotiated plea are, but he has expressed his desire to plead guilty to some of these charges. >> pete, really wick. keller's case is one of the more high-profile ones given his stature as an athletic

celebrity. where do you think it stands compared to others who have given or been offed plea agreements? >>est mo of the time when you see these pleas instead of going to a jury trial they are saying let's enthese. these are low level cases. the government wants to go after people who were assaulting police officers or planning it. people who were just sort of there, these are the ones that are getting negotiated down. >> pete williams with that breaking news for us at the end of the show. thank you, we will be keeping an eye on what goes on inside that courtroom. that does it for this hour. show show starts just after this quick break. by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce

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